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November 10, 2011

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pinkocrat

'Nor will they ever be able to. “Nudging” is nonverbal. It doesn’t give people the ability to understand their situation better. It doesn’t give people the ability to discuss their situation better. It doesn’t give people the ability to provide the nudgers with extra feedback.

Worse, it lessens people’s ability to deal with the real world. Before the nudge was implemented, people were at least somewhat able to discuss policies, like compensation, on their merits. Afterwards, everything ordinary people suggest will mess up the nudging part of the policy.'

I don't understand the argument here.

bianca steele

What in particular is your question?

pinkocrat

If most people go along with the default no matter what, and one option is usually better for people, the default should be the better option. Either way people are equally able or unable to deal with "the real world". With nudging more people will live healthy, secure lives.

More information is almost always good, though, and the systems should be made as transparent as possible.

Is there something I'm not understanding? I haven't read Nudge.

bianca steele

Well, I was responding to a criticism of nudging by Farrell and Shalizi (which you can read if you follow the links), and my criticism of them was that although their criticism of Thaler and Sunstein is reasonable, they could have gone farther. I’m not sure whether you’re saying that Thaler and Sunstein are right, so why don’t I see that they’re right (basically).

Nudging is taking things that people were supposed to decide for themselves, and deciding for them (with some modifications that let you say “except not really”). The Farrell/Shalizi paper envisioned a wide range of situations this might be applied to. It also made clear that the point was not that people don’t cope with the world so they have to have things arranged for them so that they’ll choose wisely without thinking.

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